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monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: June 22nd, 2011 10:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for answering my questions so quickly and interestingly!

Not that I think I'll be very good at any of it

One of the things I keep learning and re-learning and failing to accept about life is that so often there's no audition, no exam, nobody in authority who can decide if you're any good or not. So often it's just about being the person in that position, and then you find you're the only one worrying if you can do it, while everybody else around you takes it for granted that you can, because you are.

It's an interesting question though; can I come back to it when I've thought about it a bit more?

Yeah, and I'll totally forgive you if you never get round to it. :) Consider your question-answering obligations discharged.
taimatsu From: taimatsu Date: June 22nd, 2011 11:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Dear person-who-set-the-questions: I have similar hair to Janet, and more time to mess about with it. What are your two Evening Glamour Solutions? I would be very interested if you were willing to share them. :)

Also, Janet, I know I've seen you sporting at least three hairstyles in the last ten years. Ok, none of them very complicated, but still. :)
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: June 23rd, 2011 01:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
What are your two Evening Glamour Solutions? I would be very interested if you were willing to share them. :)

Happy to share!

Glamour solution 1: Wash hair as normal, squirt a ball of volumising mousse into your hand and work through the hair, not forgetting the roots. Then set it on jumbo rollers (medium-sized if you can't get the jumbo size). To do that you'll need to section it with clips and do the bottom layer first. Blast rollered hair with a hairdryer then wait for it to cool, or skip the hairdryer bit and leave rollers in for an hour while you do other things.

Then take the rollers out and brush or comb your hair. Give it a quick misting of hairspray if you like. Try not to fiddle with it and it should keep the volume all night.

Glamour solution 2: this one is even simpler. Just roll your hair into a messy pleat at the back and go crazy with sparkly hairclips. Works best if your hair hasn't just been washed. You can pull out bits at the front and tong them, but that bit's optional.
brightybot From: brightybot Date: June 23rd, 2011 08:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Goodness those recommendations go into a whole world of scary hairstyling that I know nothing about. Sectioning? Rollers? "Just roll into a messy pleat". i know the advice wasn't for me but yiu make me think I should be more educated about this stuff!

J, I'm still rubbish with older children but you learn on the job. I now know how to talk to 0 uo to 2.75 year olds :)
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: June 24th, 2011 08:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I never used to know how to use rollers, then I had to do that photoshoot thing in November and I decided to put my hair in rollers to look like a 50s housewife- channelling my nan when she was my age, basically. I bought three packs of medium rollers from Superdrug and realised they're really simple to use. You just, well, roll the hair on them, and most of them come with a ball and string thing to fix the roller in place.

As for rolling into a pleat, it's really just more rolling, but usually vertically along the back of the head. I guess I had years of nearly waist-length hair and various customer-service jobs where hair has to be away from your face, so I've got used to doing these updos and I forget they're not easy without a bit of practice. People get obsessed with making them look all smooth, which is tricky, but I think they look better a bit messy.

Sectioning is just when you clip bits of the hair out of the way to style other bits.

I would be happy to do a demo on you if you like! Or maybe I should do a step-by-step thing on my LJ. But barnacle is getting sick of taking photos for me!
j4 From: j4 Date: June 24th, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have tried doing things with rollers before and my hair just really doesn't seem to hold the curls for more than an hour or so -- and if I brush the curls they disappear completely. It's possible that I've just never used enough (or strong enough) mousse/gel/spray, but if so I think I'd have to have cement to get it to set in anything recognisable.

And I'm afraid I don't know what a messy pleat is either! To me a pleat is a plait (are they different?) but I don't see how you'd roll something into a plait. Also, I think the "messy" styles work better with hair that has more volume (or a bit of natural wave) - if I leave my hair "messy" it just looks, well, messy. :-} Kind of wispy and unbrushed. On the other hand unbrushed hair seems to be really trendy at the moment, I see lots of girls looking as if they really haven't brushed their hair for a week. Ugh. Sorry, I'm an old fogey, but I think it looks horrible.

Oh and if I leave it unwashed it looks slicked-down greasy. Like it does now because I never get time to have baths or showers any more. :-/

Sorry, this sounds like I'm picking holes in your styles, I didn't mean to! I think I just Don't Get hairstyling. :-/ Also at the moment I would love to just be able to have a bath and then have time to pick out some clothes that fit me properly and maybe even look like they're meant to go together... that's about the extent of my glamour ambition for the next few months, really!

Sparkly hairclips are always good though. I can do that bit. :-)
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: June 24th, 2011 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have tried doing things with rollers before and my hair just really doesn't seem to hold the curls for more than an hour or so -- and if I brush the curls they disappear completely.

I should say the advice as I gave it was aimed at taimatsu because you said you didn't want to hear it now and then she popped up to say she'd like the advice herself. Her hair IIRC has slightly more of a wave to it, so she can get away with brushing. For you I'd suggest skipping the brushing. But the point of this style isn't to have curly hair - it's to have straightish hair with a bit of extra volume. Think Cheryl Cole.*

To me a pleat is a plait (are they different?)

Yeah. To me a pleat is a roll of hair. I found it pretty easy to do when I had long hair. A French pleat and a French plait are two different things but a lot of people use them interchangeably and I'm not going to come down all hair-grammar-nazi on them when the concepts are so fluid and muddling.

Oh and if I leave it unwashed it looks slicked-down greasy.

I just meant it's better not to have washed your hair that day. If you have to wash your hair every day to stop it looking greasy, I can't really give any advice on that except to use a milder shampoo (like a baby shampoo). But I think this is a misunderstanding and you thought I meant "this style only works on hair that hasn't been washed for days".

Sparkly hairclips are always good though. I can do that bit. :-)

Yeah, and they somehow look like you've made more of an effort than you have. We can all do with a bit of that.

*Disclaimer: hairdressing advice can only help you look like Cheryl Cole with the help of a balanced diet. Actually, even Cheryl Cole doesn't look like Cheryl Cole. Forget the bit about Cheryl Cole.
taimatsu From: taimatsu Date: June 24th, 2011 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Crikey, this suggests we have met, but I have no idea what person to attach to the LJ username! Er, sorry.

I have too much hair to do a French pleat. I follow the instructions and roll it up and I roll it and tuck it and tuck it and pin it and I have an extra two feet of hair I can't fit underneath the rest of it.
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: June 27th, 2011 08:24 am (UTC) (Link)
I have now revealed my secret identity to taimatsu. Sadly I then had to kill her, but I went about it in an unnecessarily elaborate way and she escaped. The name's Bond, J - oh, bugger, I'll have to kill you all now. Could j4's 200-odd followers please proceed in an orderly fashion to the room with the rare breed of tiger. Thank you.
j4 From: j4 Date: June 26th, 2011 10:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I should say the advice as I gave it was aimed at taimatsu

Ah OK, I assumed it would be the same answer for anybody with long hair, sorry.

Hey, maybe when Imogen's old enough to enjoy messing around with hairstyles you can teach her and me at the same time... (except of course I'm not allowed to tell her about hairstyles or nailvarnish or anything because it'll make her hate her body and be a pregnant poledancer at 14 [subs please check], but, yeah.)

A French pleat and a French plait are two different things

Nooooo! TOO COMPLICATED! :-}

I think this is a misunderstanding and you thought I meant "this style only works on hair that hasn't been washed for days".

No, I did mean "I have to wash my hair every other day if I don't want it to look greasy, and it's starting to look greasy by the end of the non-washing-day". If I wash it every day it goes all brittle and strawlike. :-/ At the moment I am managing to wash it about once a week at best & it generally looks and feels pretty awful.

hairdressing advice can only help you look like Cheryl Cole with the help of a balanced diet.

:-) I'm not 100% sure I even know what Cheryl Cole looks like! (I'll go and look her up on the googles.)

(I know this is a tangent & you said to forget Cheryl Cole, but) I know I have seen her before but I am terrible at remembering what people look like. I'm the one who gets zero on the picture round in pub quizzes, even when it's people I really should recognise. In fact there was a pub quiz for work where the picture round was people I actually knew, IT officers from colleges etc, and I still wasn't sure about most of them. Even people I know quite well don't look quite how I expect when I see them, there's always something sort of unfamiliar about them. Weird.
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: June 27th, 2011 08:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey, maybe when Imogen's old enough to enjoy messing around with hairstyles you can teach her and me at the same time...

That would be lovely! Assuming she ever does go through that stage; I guess not all kids do.

I have to wash my hair every other day if I don't want it to look greasy

I think you've already tried the thing where you just wash the roots and it didn't work for you, so I'm going to suggest a) switch to a milder shampoo (borrow Imogen's!) and see if it helps your hair self-regulate, quack, moo; or b) try Batiste dry shampoo, which gives you a day's grace. I discovered it a few months ago and I'm ashamed to say it's my most-used hair product. You can also use it to give clean hair extra volume, which is apparently what Cheryl Cole uses it for (yes, really).

I am terrible at remembering what people look like.

Mild prosopagnosia? I dunno.
j4 From: j4 Date: June 24th, 2011 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
at least three hairstyles

OK if we're going to count things-that-are-essentially-the-same, I make it nine hairstyles in the past 20 years:

Hair completely loose
Hair loose but with a couple of clips
Ponytail
Pigtail (ponytail with the 'tail' plaited)
Proper plait, not tied like a ponytail at the top
Ponytail twisted up into a bun & held with a scrunchie
Pigtail twisted up into a bun & held with a scrunchie
Ironic bunches
Ironic plaits

I also once tried to do a plaited-at-the-sides-and-then-into-a-bun thing for the May Ball in my first year at Oxford, it looked a bit rubbish but since I wasn't one of the Beautiful People nobody cared, & I still had fun and didn't have to spend £100+ on my hairdo like everybody else seemed to be doing. :-) Anyway I'm not going to count that one because it was a one-off and it didn't really work!
taimatsu From: taimatsu Date: June 24th, 2011 09:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nine hairstyles isn't that bad going :)
julietk From: julietk Date: June 28th, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
I would like to note that I am pretty certain that I didn't spend £100+ on a hairdo for that May Ball either :) (In fact I have 0 idea what I did with my hair. I may have stuck some pins into it or something, I guess?)

(Currently I am debating growing my hair again. Upsides: um, I dunno, it might look different & I get bored easily? Downsides: probably harder to cut it myself in the bath; more complicated to dye it blue.)

I quite like chicklit & I bloody hated Shopaholic, fwiw. I feel I ought to be able to recommend something but I confess that I have a bit of a tendency to just pick up anything in the library with an appropriate-looking cover & which I can read a page of without wincing, i.e. I can rarely remember author names. Freya North is fun esp 'Cat' which is the one about the Tour de France (yay bikes!), but her style is quite distinctive & one might easily find it very annoying. I think I have something by Jane Gardam that I quite enjoyed? I have also been reading a lot of Jill Mansell of late.
j4 From: j4 Date: June 24th, 2011 02:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
So often it's just about being the person in that position, and then you find you're the only one worrying if you can do it, while everybody else around you takes it for granted that you can, because you are.

I think this is a very useful thing to remember, and I do sort of know it but definitely needed to be reminded of it. Thank you.

I am still thinking about the other question, honest! (Having retained something in my head for more than a day is something to celebrate. :-)
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