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julietk From: julietk Date: March 7th, 2011 11:56 am (UTC) (Link)
The Intergrowth thing does sound kind of cool.

Re waterproof sheets: I read a useful-sounding tip for homebirth the other day, which is to make up the bed with a clean set of sheets for post-birth, then put the waterproof stuff on the top, then the (presumably not yr best) sheets over that for during birth. Then once labour is over, the midwives can get rid of the dirty sheets & leave you with nice clean ones without actually having to turf you out of bed to remake the bed (you can just scootch over a bit to one side then the other as they take the dirty ones off).

Although now I am unsure as to whether the idea is that one does this at 37 weeks & just leaves the sheets there until labour, or to get whoever's with you to make up the bed during the v early stages of labour, when there's plenty of time between contractions. Anyway.

"it can't be a placebo because it worked for me"

Since, after all, even when you *know* it's a placebo it can still work, never mind if you think it's not.
From: scat0324 Date: March 7th, 2011 05:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
The many layered sheet tip is also good for night-time toilet training in a few years!
j4 From: j4 Date: March 7th, 2011 08:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have heard that tip about sheets too & it sounds very sensible -- fortunately we have lots of sheets (I don't think any of them would count as 'best', frankly!) so this should be do-able. I don't want to sleep on crackly waterproof stuff any more than I have to, so will probably do them in early labour -- I get the impression that one is supposed to be able to move around a fair bit until things really get going. In fact the lovely independent ex-midwife who did our personal antenatal class suggested baking a cake during early labour, because it keeps you occupied, lets you lean on the kitchen units when you need to, & means you've got a cake to eat afterwards! I dunno if I'll take her advice but I certainly like her attitude. :-)

even when you *know* it's a placebo it can still work

Well quite. NB despite my banging on about Proper Science, I reserve the right to demand MOAR PLACEBO if things get really bad. :-}
julietk From: julietk Date: March 8th, 2011 12:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
A is planning on baking bread in early labour! Unless things kick off this evening in which case we will consider pancakes instead :) But yes, waterproofing at that stage sounds reasonable. (Although waterproofing early would also deal with potential water-breakage if that's your first sign of labour, I suppose.)

I am all in favour of placebos where they work :) (I took Evening Primrose Oil for really bad PMT stuff for a year or so, in the full knowledge that there's no good evidence that it helps. It worked, though, so I was quite happy with that pretty much regardless of *why* it worked.)

I found a study based at Oxford Brookes which found pain perception reduction in women who used 'aromatherapy oils' (various according to taste, it seems, including clary sage & lavender) during labour. Again, no comment on the why of it & could quite easily be placebo... or simply experiencing them as relaxing & that relaxation helping with the pain perception. I tried out some of the hypnobirthing/relaxation stuff I've read (for A) the last time I had my period & was surprised at how much it helped -- obviously a very different level of experience (!) but nevertheless interesting. Have used it since on headaches as well with some success.

ION: as a fellow iPad owner, and person of a Similar Age, did you know that Jeff Minter has just released Llamatron for iPad? (Minotron) It is AWESOME, in a 'oh hey where did my weekend go' way.
bopeepsheep From: bopeepsheep Date: March 28th, 2011 11:46 am (UTC) (Link)
(Prodded by a third party to look at j4's LJ, hence reading weeks-old posts.)

I think that might be the OBU study I took part in. I used lavender and peppermint oils during labour, and frankincense during the caesarean, despite no particular interest or belief in aromatherapy - I didn't consider it at all before it was offered by the midwives, but I didn't see an obvious reason to refuse either. Lavender was relaxing and distracting during contractions - "ooh, I could be in the garden instead of here"; peppermint actually did stop me feeling sick, but then it had done all the way through pregnancy, mostly in the form of Polos; and frankincense was pleasant enough and I suspect worked mostly because they had me inhaling deeply from my cupped hands, which is a known anti-panic technique with or without added scents. So I would say my conclusion is 'if it smells nice to you there and then, why not?' rather than 'hey, this stuff is brilliant, try it'. :)
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