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uitlander From: uitlander Date: November 14th, 2010 08:17 am (UTC) (Link)
I frequently have this sort of debate with a colleague who's very active in the cycling campaign. In his books cyclists are always right, and others (especially drivers) wrong. I keep maintaining that part of the role of the campaign (of which I am also a member) should be to educate cyclists on subjects such as lights at night, red lights, one way streets, pavements, and signalling as they are also part of the problem. He's much more interested in taking photos of lorries unloading on double yellow lines.
damiancugley From: damiancugley Date: November 14th, 2010 09:27 am (UTC) (Link)

Sharing the road

I stop at red lights, because that is the law, but I don’t entirely blame other cyclists for crossing when there is no motor traffic—it is safer then than waiting for the cars to be following you across the intersection.

I am somewhat bewildered by the sketchy or absent lights I see on many bikes around town—if you can afford the trendy jeans and iPod, surely you have enough cash to afford basic working lights that attach to the bike? On the other hand, from what I know of the circumstances of cycling fatalities in Oxford, none would have been saved by having bike lights on.

What annoys me most is unhelpful road layouts and cycle-hostile traffic-calming measures—which in Oxford should have been dealt with decades ago, but I guess gold-chased alabaster litter bins have higher priority.
jinty From: jinty Date: November 14th, 2010 10:02 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Sharing the road

I think cyclists should always stop at red lights not only because it's the law, but also because they will then be more predictable on the part of other road users. If you get some people who run a red light and others who don't then you have two lots of traffic to look out for, as a pedestrian.

If anything, I get more outraged by cyclists doing silly things than I do any other kind of road user. Though I do fear pedestrians who step out unexpectedly in front of cyclists, too.
qatsi From: qatsi Date: November 14th, 2010 11:43 am (UTC) (Link)
He's much more interested in taking photos of lorries unloading on double yellow lines.

"Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while passengers board or alight. Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions." (my emphasis)

In other words, unloading on a double-yellow line may be acceptable - it depends on the signage in the immediate environment. "Loading and unloading" is not, as I understand it, the same as "waiting" or "parking".
uitlander From: uitlander Date: November 14th, 2010 04:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
He is very well versed with the legalities, and is particularly keen to stop lorries causing a hazard to cyclists on many of our narrow, busy streets. I am surprised that he hasn't been thumped over it, as there's nothing he enjoys more than a good argument with a badly parked lorry driver.
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