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beingjdc From: beingjdc Date: November 30th, 2008 04:44 am (UTC) (Link)
j4 From: j4 Date: November 30th, 2008 11:16 am (UTC) (Link)
It's just there's not that much to say about saving by not buying stuff. I mean, that's it really

Well yes. Sorry for spinning such a boring truth out into a blog post longer than that one line.
beingjdc From: beingjdc Date: November 30th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes but your section on it was about how there isn't really any helpful advice, whereas my comment was that there's not a great deal you can say that is helpful advice, so I think there's room for us both to be right here...
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: November 30th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think her post was really about the dishonesty of articles, books, etc that claim to be giving helpful money-saving advice when really they're about either spending more or at the very least buying into deeply unhelpful patterns of thinking. And about the lies we tell ourselves.

And about the lies that other people tell us, to sell us things. If you can use someone's feminism or insecurities or emotional problems or broken family or desire for social justice to manipulate them into buying more, why on earth wouldn't you try using their desire to spend less to manipulate them into buying more? Particularly since it works almost every time you try it!
juggzy From: juggzy Date: November 30th, 2008 04:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've just read all the Sunday Newspaper Magazines - well, the Telegrah, the Times and I had a look at the Observer online. All of them are full of ways to cut the cost of Christmas by spending or handy tips for Credit Crunch presents that are still more than I can ever afford, or think it worth affording, anyway.

It's not so much the lies that we tell ourselves, it's more about the lies that the relatively very rich tell themselves about what it's like to have no money. Not that I'm poor, but, you know.

Anyway. I agree that most media are being terribly dishonest about this. Motley Fool used to be full of good advice years ago, but when I took a look at it a couple of months back I was shocked with the way that it had become the mouthpiece for parsimony-as-fashion.

Bring back the eighties, I say.
beingjdc From: beingjdc Date: December 1st, 2008 01:28 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes - I think that's an entirely fair point, all I'm saying is that I think Martin Lewis is pretty much one of the good guys, and that "The best way to save money is to buy less stuff, not just cheaper stuff" is worth a blog post, maybe a chapter in a book on moneysaving, but I don't think that you could make a whole site out of it...
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: November 30th, 2008 12:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
The Demotivator doesn't work on me. I did it once when I had a cushy freelance job in publishing, to work out if I should give up buying lunch in the canteen in favour of making my own. It turned out that if I carried on in the job for a year, I would be spending £60 on canteen lunches. That was a lot less than I thought, and it seemed well worth it for the privilege of joining my new friends/colleagues for a lunchtime chat, having a tasty hot meal, helping to keep the canteen afloat and not getting up at 6am to make a packed lunch.
beingjdc From: beingjdc Date: November 30th, 2008 01:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I suppose it depends what's on offer. When I was buying food at lunchtimes rather than making it, I was paying around £5 a day, so that made a serious dent. At £60 a year, I'd go for the canteen too.
juggzy From: juggzy Date: November 30th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Mmmm. About few ago I discovered a cleanser that certainly helped clear up my flakey skin. It's expensive - thirty five quid a bottle - although it lasts a long time. When I was really up against the wall a year and a half ago, moneywise, I still spent money on this cleanser because, because, because it made me happier.

One of the media lies is not to distinguish between spending money on stuff that makes us happier because it makes a solid, physical difference (Your lunch money would come under this category) and spending money on stuff that is just stuff.
monkeyhands From: monkeyhands Date: December 1st, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
One of the media lies is not to distinguish between spending money on stuff that makes us happier because it makes a solid, physical difference [...] and spending money on stuff that is just stuff.

Precisely. I too have recently splashed out on skincare. Buying a cleanser, toner and moisturiser set from Liz Earle is nearly £40 when you add postage on. But my last lot lasted me from July through to November and my skin's never looked so good.
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