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half_of_monty From: half_of_monty Date: October 26th, 2007 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, and on the other hand: cycles are legitimate road users of all roads. Even roads with a cycle path on the pavement. So don't yell at cyclists to get off the road and onto the pavement, they may have a legitimate reason not to want to go near it, like it having been covered by deep and dangerous gravel, for example.
j4 From: j4 Date: October 26th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I am aware of that, and no, I don't yell at cyclists to get out of the road. Unless they're cycling THE WRONG WAY on the road, in which case I just yell "YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY" at which point they either yell abuse or look blank.
half_of_monty From: half_of_monty Date: October 26th, 2007 02:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I wasn't talking to you, just to the random bad road user out there we're all having a go at shouting at. A lot of them don't know that.
From: jamboi Date: October 26th, 2007 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Aaargh, and what is it with some people (in Hackney/Waltham Forest/Haringey (<-- funny name for anywhere)/Newham) think that because it has a picture of a bike on it that they're allowed to cycle down a cycle lane in any direction? Isn't this obviously a really stupid thing to do?
uon From: uon Date: October 26th, 2007 07:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Twice now, I have been yelled at by someone in a BMW (it's always a BMW, dunno why) for cycling on the road. Both times, I was actually in the advance stop line box wot has a big picture of a bike in it as a hint, but I was unable to point this out because the BMW in question was stopped over it.
j4 From: j4 Date: October 26th, 2007 09:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
I got beeped at loudly (real leaning-on-the-horn stuff) by a bus a while ago because I was cycling in the bus-and-cycle lane. Now, the concept of a bus-and-cycle lane is really dumb (hey, let's put those kittens in the same tank as the pirhanas); but a) it's legal and expected to cycle there (and lots of people do), and b) there's really only a very short distance where the bus can't overtake. And c) there is a cycle lane, but it's an area of pavement about a foot wide, half of which is under bushes and the other half of which is potholes. I keep meaning to complain to Vale of Shite Horse about it, but forgetting, because they are so depressingly incompetent that it just drains my will-to-live even thinking about trying to find out who to contact.... I think I had a point, but I forget what it was.

I have given up on cycle-advance lanes, or "taxi slow red-light-creep boxes" as I call them, do you see, heh heh, subtly changing the name there to make a point. But I am not going to engage in the arms-race whereby the cars stop in the cycle-advance, and so the cycles undertake/bounce up the pavement in order to get in front, then the other cycles push in front of them, and... Jaysus.

(ALSO, tangentially, cyclists who creep really slowly in front of me when I am at the front and then pull away equally slowly so that I nearly trip because I'm expecting them to zoom away in some kind of hurry after they made such a fucking fuss about Being First In The Queue.... yeah, fuck them too.)

But then with the advance-box thingy I start to think heretical non-spokey thoughts like "actually, why should the slowest vehicles on the road get to go at the front? why don't I just wait behind this car and then it can pull away from the lights and I can go after it? does my life really depend on getting there 2 seconds sooner? And now I come to think of it, I don't have a very big willy, actually" and, despite the cries of cyclists denouncing me as a traitor, my blood-pressure goes down a little bit UNTIL NEXT TIME GRAHHH.

Oh at the moment I JUST HATE PEOPLE sorry. :(
uon From: uon Date: October 28th, 2007 12:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Nah, I'm not entirely convinced by the whole ASL thing either, for much the same reasons you give. OTOH on my daily commute there are quite often five or six cyclists in the ASL who would otherwise be squidged up on the left-hand side; however, they also tend to belt it away from the lights faster than the cars, which isn't terribly difficult in rush-hour traffic in London (probably at least partly because rush-hour traffic contains all these crazed suicidal cyclists.. ..oh well).

I love bus lanes, though: nice and wide, plenty of visibility, plenty of room to overtake other cyclists even during rush hour, and apart from the occasional psycho driver, I've found the buses largely OK as long as you don't go up the inside of them, which you shouldn't be doing anyway because it's an excellent way to get pureed.
uon From: uon Date: October 28th, 2007 01:08 am (UTC) (Link)
(I say "squidged up on the left-hand side" like it's a bad thing, which it shouldn't be, except that it seems to be an excuse for car drivers to completely ignore you. In fact, one of the things I do like about ASLs is that I get to sit in front of the cars and indicate and generally give off "HELLO I AM TURNING HERE AS WELL PLEASE TO NOT BE CUTTING ME UP KTHX" signals which are hard to ignore because I'm sitting right in front of them with my arm in the air.)
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