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	A quick question about terminology: Poll #1044085 Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All. Participants: 50 If you transfer photos from your camera to your computer, are you: View Answers uploading them? 27(54.0%) downloading them? 17(34.0%) offloading them? 6(12.0%)

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From: rgl	Date: August 23rd, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)		(Link)

To add to the confusion, if you purchase and download a DRM-protected music file to your phone, and then want to transfer it to your computer and authorise its use there, that's called sideloading in music biz marketing speak.

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	From: ewx	Date: August 23rd, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)		(Link)

...but I'm now seized with doubt.

I've noticed 'download' used to refer to any kind of transfer, even if it's in a direction I'd normally think of as 'uploading'.

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	From: rysmiel	Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:07 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Decanting ?

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	From: cleanskies	Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:25 pm (UTC)		(Link)

another vote for decanting

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	From: mair_aw	Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:08 pm (UTC)		(Link)

can I be uploading them off my camera and downloading them onto my computer?

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	From: nja	Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:10 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Even though I run a web server on my laptop and some of the pictures go onto that, and I'd generally refer to putting something onto a server as "uploading", I chose "downloading" because when I transfer pictures from a digital camera to a computer, I'm using the computer as a sort of client. Though having said that, if I was actually logged on to the web server at work and transferring stuff from another computer, I'd still refer to that as "uploading".

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	From: caramel_betty	Date: August 23rd, 2007 09:49 pm (UTC)		(Link)

My rationale exactly. If I had a push mechanism on the camera, then it'd be uploading to the computer.

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	From: camellia_uk	Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:24 pm (UTC)		(Link)

If you have a lot of them you might be wideloading them.

I'd say the camera is uploading, the computer is downloading, the software is loading, and the user is, erm, confused.

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	From: lnr	Date: August 23rd, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I voted for uploading, but sometimes think of it as downloading instead. It's quite comfy here on this fence honest. offloading has too negative connotations to be a good alternative.

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From: (Anonymous)	Date: August 23rd, 2007 09:05 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I've always considered downloading to moving data from a remote device to the device you are using.

So you download from the internet (a remote machine compared to your PC) and download from a camera (remote device connected to your PC). If you are using a camera to connect to your machine, then that would be uploading off the camera.

So, it's all down to your point of view and the machine you are using connected to another. Alternatively, you can just used "transfer" as a data movement term which gets over the whole confusion as you'd never load pictures onto a camera..

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	From: fanf	Date: August 23rd, 2007 09:48 pm (UTC)		(Link)

copying

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From: mooism	Date: August 24th, 2007 11:00 am (UTC)		(Link)

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	From: octalbunny	Date: August 26th, 2007 10:51 am (UTC)		(Link)

+1, although "decanting" is tempting

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From: kjaneway	Date: August 23rd, 2007 09:54 pm (UTC)		(Link)

If I were taking them from the camera, then I'd be downloading them.

But generally, I'm pulling or dumping the RAWs from the CF card.

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	From: pseudomonas	Date: August 23rd, 2007 10:12 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Depends on the sentence: upload to, download from. Like emigrate/immigrate. Though I've seen "immigrate to" as well.

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	From: covertmusic	Date: August 24th, 2007 01:57 am (UTC)		(Link)

Depends which end initiates it. With my camera, I push a button on it, my computer does stuff in response; so uploading. Web-browser though, I tell it to get stuff, it gets stuff; downloading.

Makes sense to me, anyway!

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	From: emperor	Date: August 24th, 2007 08:09 am (UTC)		(Link)

...but when I put them on the eeeenternet later, that's uploading

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	From: chrisvenus	Date: August 24th, 2007 09:11 am (UTC)		(Link)

Personally I do none of those. I transfer pictures from my phone or camera to my computer. Or possibly copy. Upload and download always feel much more internetty to me.

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From: scat0324	Date: August 24th, 2007 12:35 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Yep - another vote for transfer or copy.

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	From: keirf	Date: August 24th, 2007 10:07 am (UTC)		(Link)

I upload from the less powerful device to the more powerful device (for some nebulous definition of power), and I download from the more powerful device to the less powerful device. Hence I upload pictures to my PC from my camera, and then I upload them from my PC to Picasa Web Albums.

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	From: oldbloke	Date: August 24th, 2007 07:29 pm (UTC)		(Link)

IAWTP

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	From: sion_a	Date: August 24th, 2007 11:03 am (UTC)		(Link)

I think I'm with the sentiment that I'd express as "download is when you pull, upload is when you push". So download from camera, upload to flickr. That said, I get the pictures off the camera by use of a card reader, which is simply copying.

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From: kaet	Date: August 24th, 2007 12:06 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I don't really thing you are doing either. Your camera is uploading them, your computer is downloading them. Usually you have a device with which you're identified, eg I am more my desktop machine than I am google, so the subject of the operation is clear. Once I've identified the subject downloading means transfering things to the subject, and uploading transfering copies from the subject. When there are two devices without a readily identifiable subject, I dunno, transloading? I would have divided this reply into paragraphs, but my browser has stopped recognising the return key and I have lots of tabs open.

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	From: gerald_duck	Date: August 24th, 2007 12:44 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Download from the camera; upload to the computer.

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	From: hairyears	Date: August 24th, 2007 06:41 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	The ups and downs

Er, I'd say 'transfer'.

With a little more thought, the correct term is 'upload'; the terminology grew up in an hierarchical relationship between 'dumb terminal' devices and the godlike mainframe, and persists in the notion that the PC (or web terminal) sends stuff 'up' to servers and the all-knowing internet.

Logically, humble image-capture devices should upload to their betters, in the form of the PC... And download to lowly data-storage devices (like a portable disc-caddy).

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