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caramel_betty From: caramel_betty Date: January 10th, 2007 12:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
This sort of thing has come into the news recently, such as "Should people who take up smoking get lung cancer treatment?" or "Should fat people all just die?"

There aren't any exact answers, and I don't pretend to have them.
j4 From: j4 Date: January 10th, 2007 12:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
There aren't any exact answers, and I don't pretend to have them.

Me either -- just interested in the questions. Though I feel that the answer should often involve a reminder that the existence of grey areas in the middle does not necessarily prevent people being able to come to some kind of majority consensus on the really-quite-distinct colours at the two ends of the scale. (It's sort of the opposite of the excluded middle, and I wish I knew a word for it.)

Not arguing with you in particular, just arguing, really.
olithered From: olithered Date: January 10th, 2007 12:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
A smoker once told me that the tax they pay on tobacco is vastly more than their cost to the NHS.

I wonder if you could tax everything in accordance with the probable cost to society (or the environment) rather than its value?
lnr From: lnr Date: January 10th, 2007 12:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Awww, bunny.
j4 From: j4 Date: January 10th, 2007 01:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wonder if you could tax everything in accordance with the probable cost to society (or the environment) rather than its value?

I like that idea. Is there a word for it?

For bonus points (this may have been implicit in your suggestion -- if so, my apologies for unnecessary subtitling!) it should be taxed according to the probable net cost to society (most things have some benefit to somebody as well).
olithered From: olithered Date: January 10th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
If there is a word I'm not aware of it. Do you have any suggestions?

I like your extension (and had not thought of it), but I fear benefit is much harder to quantify than cost.
aldabra From: aldabra Date: January 10th, 2007 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
> Is there a word for it?

Internalising externalities?
matgb From: matgb Date: January 11th, 2007 06:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Tax raised from smoking per annum, approx = £7.5bn Cost to NHS of smoking related illnesses (some of which are caused by, for example, car fumes anyway) approx = £2.5bn.

Ergo, as a non-smoker, I thank smokers the country over for keeping the taxes I have to pay down, and think they can have whatever they need.

A sort of tax to cover what you mean is, I think, a Pigouvian tax, but you'd need to ask someone like chris_dillow_fd for a real answer, I just read what they say...

(blame caramel_betty for my presence...)
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