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j4 From: j4 Date: October 1st, 2004 09:15 am (UTC) (Link)
*blush*

I always find it hard to believe that somebody who writes properly should actually rate my ramblings. But I'm very flattered.
rysmiel From: rysmiel Date: October 1st, 2004 10:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Properly ?

I appreciate the assessment, but I'll feel comfortable thinking of myself as "writing properly" only if someone pays me for some of it at some point; until then, this particular playing field is entirely level.
j4 From: j4 Date: October 2nd, 2004 07:28 am (UTC) (Link)
Thinking about this (and trying to determine why I perceive you as a "proper" writer but can't say the same of myself) --

I think there's two issues here. One is that there are neurotic parts of my brain for which it is axiomatic that everybody else is a Real $foo for all possible values of $foo, whereas I am just at best a dilettante and at worst an out-and-out faker. I try not to listen to those voices, but, well, you know.

The other is that you actually finish stuff that you write. :-) More than that, though... I feel that you actually create stuff when you write, whereas all I can do is observe stuff that's in my head. I've never written anything where the plot, setting or characters are outside my head in any meaningful sense; the only 'characters' are my emotions, the only 'plot' is my own stream stagnant pond of consciousness.

The inability to create is something that distresses and sickens me more than I can really express. ... Something to ramble about at greater length elsewhere, but right now I'm late for everything.
livredor From: livredor Date: October 1st, 2004 10:36 am (UTC) (Link)
I always find it hard to believe that somebody who writes properly should actually rate my ramblings.
I'm glad it's not just me!

And I also have the opposite problem: as someone who doesn't even write improperly, I feel it's perhaps not really my place to express admiration of your writing. But I really, really like this piece - see, I can say that because it's just expressing an opinion, not a judgement. And I'd heartily second rysmiel's comment if I could see a way to do without seeming arrogant or presumptuous.
rysmiel From: rysmiel Date: October 1st, 2004 10:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I always find it hard to believe that somebody who writes properly should actually rate my ramblings.

I'm glad it's not just me!


OK, I'm really blushing now.
j4 From: j4 Date: October 2nd, 2004 07:33 am (UTC) (Link)
without seeming arrogant or presumptuous

This seems to be something you worry about a lot, with -- as far as I can tell -- very little grounds for worrying.

And I certainly can't see how it could be construed as either arrogant or presumptuous for you to make statements about my writing. It's more or less impossible for quality-judgements of descriptive writing to be anything other than subjective.

I'm flattered that you liked the post, anyway. Thank you.
livredor From: livredor Date: October 9th, 2004 01:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
I worry about coming across as arrogant primarily because it happens to me a lot. I've always known that I'm intelligent, and I've always been taught to express myself clearly and confidently (plus some people make assumptions based on my accent). But on top of that, I feel really awkward praising people for doing things well that I am completely unable to do myself.

I think this is part of the same worry I used to have when I was a teenager: I was always reluctant to give compliments to adults, because I was worried that they would think it preposterous that a mere kid would imagine that her opinion mattered to a real person. I got over that, partly because I think of myself more or less as a person rather than a kid these days, and partly because I think most people like compliments.

The secret is probably to stick to statements equivalent to "I really like your writing" rather than "Your writing is really good." But thank you for reassuring me anyway.
j4 From: j4 Date: October 11th, 2004 03:33 am (UTC) (Link)
I think I sort of see what you mean...

Having said that I can't think of a single reason why I'd be offended by somebody praising me for something they can't do themself. The only negative reaction I'd be likely to have would be to argue with them about it, I mean to tell them that I'm not really as good as they think -- e.g. if somebody told me that I was a really good violinist I'd suspect they'd not heard many violinists (I'm competent, and more confident than I used to be, but that's a long way off 'very good').

I think what it comes down to is that if somebody who obviously knows nothing about a particular field praises me for my efforts in that field, I'd take the compliment as a nice-thing-to-say rather than a useful critical assessment of my skills. I don't mean that to sound dismissive, I just ... oh, I'm not explaining this very well. I just hope you know what I mean. So much for my lucid writing. ;)

But, anyway, your writing on LJ suggests that writing is something you can do yourself, so I suspect that even if lack-of-ability in a field disqualified you as a reviewer (and if that were generally true, the reviews pages of the newspapers would be empty) you'd still have a 'right' to comment.

Hope that makes sense.
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