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I have always found it easier to skirt around it
Another fragment (with footnotes added for extra amusement, but otherwise unedited):
There exists a reasonably-well-understood concept of the fallacy of the excluded middle, or false dilemma. But what do you call it when it's not the middle which is excluded but the two ends? Is there a word for the logical fallacy whereby one argues from "There are cases where it is difficult/impossible to decide whether something falls into category A or category B" to "Nothing can be confidently stated to be either A or B" and/or "A and B are useless/meaningless categories"?

One of the many irritating manifestations of this is a kind of childish what-iffery. "But WHAT IF there was a case where there were three identical twin sisters who were respectively married to three non-identical twin brothers and they were all gay and all had different fatal diseases but only two of the brothers and a non-corresponding two of the sisters were in a higher tax-band and the plane all six of them were in crashed ON THE INTERNATIONAL DATELINE[1]? Would that count?"

Is sorrel goth? IAMFI.[2]

[1] http://michaelkelly.artofeurope.com/lateral.htm
[2] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~janetmck/oxbridge_tat_faq.html

On re-reading I'm not sure I agree any more that the what-iffery is quite the same thing, although I can see how I got there (both are a way of trying to insist that because there are edge cases there can't be any useful generalisations). I'm struggling to think of a better example that doesn't involve gender/sex/sexuality (because talking about any of these things on the internet just makes people angry).

Relatedly, I had another fragment somewhere about 'conversations which I really hate getting into' but I think I deleted it already. It wasn't even about the dangerous conversation topics, just the tedious ones. The topic of forbidden topics is something I keep circling around and not wanting to address; in some ways I think the meta-conversation is even more risky than the conversations themselves. I have a different version of that argument in a notebook somewhere -- when I get round to digging out the 'fragments' on paper perhaps I won't feel the need to avoid it again. When I grow up. Maybe.

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hairyears From: hairyears Date: November 26th, 2010 11:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
Forbidden topics... We need a term for all-too-permissible topics of conversation (like house prices, bad train journeys, and The Servant Problem) that Londoners fall into and seem unable to escape.
pjc50 From: pjc50 Date: November 26th, 2010 11:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, anything that has emotional signifigance is going to be dangerous territory. Note that we're older and more formed than our undergraduate selves who would happily discuss these things at 4am; we're more vulnerable to identity threat.

Meta-conversation tends to fall into some sort of epistemic chasm very easily, from which it never recovers.
venta From: venta Date: November 27th, 2010 09:14 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't have anything useful to contribute, but I do now have the Longpigs in my head :)
reddragdiva From: reddragdiva Date: November 27th, 2010 02:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
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